As we do with other films, The Nerd Hub sits down to discuss our thoughts on the latest hit, Star Wars: The Last Jedi. What did they do right and what did they do wrong? Where have they been, and where could they be going? So, take a look at what we had to say and look for our review from other upcoming releases, as well as, take to the comments section below and let us know what you thought about the movie.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi
May 25th, 1977 marked the start of a franchise that would take the world by storm over the next 40 years. Fast forward those 40 years, we now have an original trilogy, as well as, a prequel trilogy, and while most not only accept the prequels but enjoy them, some remain in disdain for several, albeit true reasons. So when Disney purchased Lucas Films, Star Wars was sure to make a return after over a decade.
They kicked it off with a promise to return to form, in what would turn out to be an overall solid film, but perhaps too much of a return to form. With The Last Jedi, we had hoped to see an original story that would take these characters in new directions. We had hoped that the abundance of questions left open in The Force Awakens would be answered here.
We had hoped that the next installment would give us a story worth hanging on to as opposed to the debatably disposable The Force Awakens. In this installment of Nerds of the Roundtable, we look to discuss these and other issues, as well as, determine whether this film delivered on these hopes or fell flat like the Jedi Order.
Was the Casino aspect ultimately superfluous or did it serve an unseen purpose? For that matter, was the Finn and Rose arc as a whole, or was there an unseen purpose there?
Jack – It’s obvious that the whole point of the Casino was to show the dark side of the rebellion as well as give a huge revelation as to what may come of the next film. The Finn Rose arc beyond this, however, was total garbage and just a plot filler. they didn’t even succeed at their plan so it’s obvious it was only meant to stall the death of the admiral.
Fred – I believe that the Casino scene was vital to viewers. Firstly, it instills the rebellion against the elite that we are dealing with here on earth, which brings a grounding and relatability that the series has yet to experience and could really drive an expanded narrative on the rebellion in future projects much like ‘Rogue One’, as opposed to making it a backseat arc to the Jedi. Secondly, I feel that Rose played a crucial role in identifying the past and ongoing oppression by the super rich and reidentifying what the rebellion really means and why it is that they fight. They took the lead by example approach here with Rose as opposed to just telling us things from Jedi who clearly could never truly be on the same level as the rebels.
Tristan – To me it didn’t seem to serve any purpose other than to have a “cantina” scene, as well as an interesting chase scene. But overall, it just didn’t make sense, to begin with. They leave in the middle of a fight somehow completely undetected to pick up some master hacker, only to lose him and then somehow get lucky enough to finder another hacker capable of the job as their cell-mate. It all seemed cheesy, out of place, forced, and unnecessary.
Jonny – I think that they tried to show us that even though there was turmoil throughout the galaxy, people still indulged and lived their lives. It for sure told us that there was a greasy side to the story and that society as a whole was corrupt, and that there are many who went unpunished for their war crimes.
Kevin P. – I found it to be mostly superfluous. It did add some moral ambiguity to the galaxy for Finn by showing him that merchants profited from both sides of the war, but other than that, it did very little.
Kevin B. – I think it was superfluous, the Rose character was new, but she seemed forced into the story and immediately created this awkward love story for Finn that after one success, conveyed that they love each other. I don’t think it has an unseen purpose, it pretty much fulfilled whatever intention by the direct admittance of the high school romance/awkward first kiss. It’ll be a change-up of them pulling on the arm of the other, saying “No, it’s too dangerous, I’ll do it” in episode IX.
Brian – I think that it showed the continued support for the resistance throughout the galaxy, but nothing much beyond that and pretty much the rest of the Finn and Rose arc was just outright lame and boring.
Did Rey’s actual origin work or should they have gone another direction? How would you have gone about it if it didn’t, and if it did, what did it do for the story?
Jack – If true, the entire trilogy is a waste because even if she’s not a Kenobi or a Skywalker, she must have some sort of Jedi related past. She cannot just be this uber-powerful Jedi that picks things up based on what seems to be only instinct, yet not have a reason for such instinct to exist. If they are lying then chances are they are doing so to reveal in the final film before taking these characters on their own journey using this entire trilogy as a bridge from old to new.
Fred – Okay, call me a believer or call me crazy, but based on what I saw with the black mirror scene and perhaps Kylo Ren’s deception, I think it’s possible that Rey willed herself alive or could be a reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker.
Tristan – At first, I felt let down. It was one of the most important questions I had after seeing The Force Awakens, and I was pretty upset about the answer. But now, after some thought and a few discussions, I realize that it kind of showed that anyone is capable of being a great force user. That even those who come from nothing, can still one day become someone.
Jonny – I think we have yet to see all of her origin story, that the one provided here was false and one that Kylo made up to turn her to the dark side. I think they will explore it more in the next film, or at least that’s my hope.
Kevin P. – I’m not 100% convinced that wasn’t just Kylo tearing Rey down so that she felt she had to join him (nice negging, Douchelo Ren.) If it is true, then I am ambivalent. I don’t think she needed a grand genealogy to be important. It fit with the theme that not everything was as black and white as it seemed, and with the young boy at Canto Bight (nobody force user, who uses it in the very end). That is how the Jedi order will be rebuilt, not through the vaunted Skywalker bloodline like we all expected.
Kevin B. – I don’t think the origin worked and I feel they should have gone in a different direction. It was a “fart in the wind” explanation. (“Rey, your parents were nothing”. Queue next scene.) I can only think of two possible situations, one is that it’s revealed to be a lie in IX, the other is that they wanted to be as definitive as possible in denouncing any skywalker theories and fulfill the true junker-to-Jedi criteria that every Jedi Master has to fulfill I suppose. Maybe Yoda and Qui-Gonn were junkers too.
Brian – If it proves true, it will be a complete letdown. People waited a long time just to find out that there is no story?
With all of the mystery surrounding Snoke, do you feel that he may have been disposed of too quickly or did he serve his purpose properly? How did you feel about the move Kylo made?
Jack – I definitely think he was disposed of too quickly. I feel that perhaps we should have gotten more of a painted picture of just why it is he was so powerful. This level of power makes this seized opportunity a wise move on behalf of Kylo and one never done before, but its hard to believe. It seems like a staged boxing match. Regardless, the story that follows can be incredible. following the rise to power of a sith is something we have yet to see.
Fred – There was a definite lackluster in Snoke’s death, but Ren dispatched him wisely, knowing his thoughts were being read. This is true in real life, I believe people can feel your intentions and therefore even hear or influence your thoughts. This idea is scary enough that one can manipulate another to conform by simply projecting our own intention over theirs, take into account that Snoke is one with the force and has a much more capable control over this trait compared to us lowly earthlings, as well as the power those the real world have garnished from this trait, I would have made the same move and I think this sense of fear was poorly translated and was a direct result of the lackluster death.
Tristan – Snoke dying without any background has hands down been the most disappointing thing to come from this movie. He hardly did anything at all, and we are left knowing virtually nothing about him. I did, however, enjoy the rest of the scene in general.
Jonny – I did like how it all went down, though I kind of saw it coming. Regardless, while I do think his death came a little early and could have been drawn out a bit more, I still like where it’s going so far. We finally get to see the apprentice overthrow the master and live to continue that reign, which is something we have yet to see in the films. I still wanted more backstory to Snoke, but I’m willing to believe his minions will revive him for a showdown; after all, Darth Maul survived being cut in half and making a splash down a hole.
Kevin P. – Again, it fits with the general theme of blowing up our expectations. Everyone theorized and gossiped about his identity and it was all for naught. His true purpose seemed to be for Kylo to kill and take his spot, so in that sense, he served his purpose. As far as the move to do so went, it was smart for Kylo, dumb for Snoke, and entirely predictable from the moment Snoke put the lightsaber down beside him.
Kevin B. – He was definitely disposed of too quickly. There was a rumor going around that Rian Johnson didn’t like the concept of Snoke and that he had intended to do a reset? After seeing this, I now believe that rumor to have been true. The move that Kylo made was an “oldest trick in the book” type of concept and great execution on his behalf. However, while it was theoretically executed well, the events leading up to it were just the opposite. It made it a corny scene when Snoke turned Rey into a pinball machine with the lightsaber and boasted of his supremacy and his ability to sense anything and everything. Everything except two feet from your body apparently. I don’t know what purpose he had, other than being a beacon of Kylo turning back to the light, or turning into a Grey Jedi?
Brian – They should have given us some insight as to who he was. Palpatine’s story proved to be very fascinating once explored, so with that, Snoke’s origin, or lack thereof, was a letdown.
One of the few questions from The Force Awakens that seems to have been answered in The Last Jedi was the history of Kylo and Luke. What are your takeaways from this reveal?
Jack – You know, I’ve been thinking about this and it seems that perhaps the reason he chose to kill Ben at first was that despite his father being redeemed, he only did so in death and none the less brought infinite destruction upon the galaxy that has never been restored even long after his passing. Perhaps, he thought maybe Obi-Wan failed by having too much faith in Anakin and that perhaps he should have stemmed the problem immediately and save billions of lives. Once he does this his guilt takes over and he loses it and he buries himself in the teachings to find an answer but realizes that as with any religious scripture, its contradictory to one’s self as it’s meant to be a guide more than it is a plan. Perhaps with time to reflect he realizes that maybe where Obi-Wan failed Anakin is not with giving him too much faith, but his lack thereof. Now he blames himself for not taking the time to reflect deeper and seems he has failed the galaxy and that he is the true enemy. This creates the dweller we see in The Last Jedi.
Tristan – In some ways, it didn’t feel like something Luke would do. He managed to pull his father, who he barely knew, away from the dark side after he’d spent years being Darth Vader and having caused so much destruction and pain throughout the galaxy, but he isn’t able or willing to do the same for a boy who he helped raise? It may have been a way to show how afraid he had become of what the dark side is capable of, but I would think that he should have done the same when he saw Rey do the same thing. It seemed like he was just picking favorites at that point, even if he had learned from his mistake with Ben, the whole thing seems unnatural and more like a strategic ploy to put Rey over and give Luke an exit.
Jonny – It shows that Luke continued to fight his dark side and that even he had times of weakness and that it was that weakness that led to the fall of the New Jedi Order, as well as, that the old way of training and traditions were flawed and has to rebuilt entirely.
Kevin P. – Well, it does seem to contradict the vision we had from The Force Awakens, although that could be contributed to an unreliable narrator. It was also one of the major issues I had with Luke’s character int he film. The paragon of fear in the galaxy, Darth Vader, has a shred of good in him and can be redeemed. My young nephew newly turned to the dark side, well, let’s consider killing him first and asking questions later. Doesn’t make sense.
Kevin B. – The first cutscene of Luke turning on a dark road and trying to barbeque Ren in his sleep seemed too dark, but on the other hand, we haven’t seen Luke in what, 30-40 Star Wars years? I was at angst with myself saying, no they couldn’t make Luke this dark character like that, did they? Then, they did the second scene where Luke was fighting with himself. He saw Ren, probably what he saw in Vader, and it put him at ends with it. Maybe he was going to kill Ren and then kill himself. I’m glad they gave him redemption, and it was a good reveal from what could’ve happened. It was realistic.
Brian – The idea that Luke was going to assassinate a young Jedi because he might turn to the dark side was not even remotely believable. There’s a huge contrast between what he did and what Obi-wan did at the end of ep.3. No Jedi would make that move.
A year into the death of the world’s princess, how did Carrie Fisher’s final role fair for the film? With our love and respect aside, how did it help or hurt the film?
Jack – I loved seeing her in action one last time, she was amazing as always, but the use of force shown her threw me for a loop I really thought that a great way to end her here would be to have Kylo finish his path to the dark side and kill her.
Knowing that Kathleen Kennedy has claimed that this would have been Carrie Fisher’s final role regardless of her passing, this makes me wonder because she lived in the end and I don’t think the princess death could be done off screen, and I don’t think the princess would finish her story any other way than dying for the rebellion. As for her use of the force, I’m super glad they showed that she has it. I would have personally rathered a lightsaber than a power so useful its a mystery as to why no other Jedi has used it, but one way or another we got our wish.
Tristan – I think she played the character well, almost like she had never stopped being Leia. I’m still indifferent to the scene of her using the force though. It was nice to see her actually using the force, but the scene itself seemed kind of silly for some reason.
Jonny – I think it was a good performance, but the role itself didn’t have much to do with the story beyond serving as a hat tilt from the old to bring in the new. I feel they could have done so much more, but they didn’t, or if they did, it didn’t make the final cut.
Kevin P. – This was why I went to watch the film in the first place. I thought she was fairly well done, but I am surprised they didn’t kill the character. They didn’t even want to put her in Episode IX according to Kathleen Kennedy, and that isn’t something that I feel can be handled off screen (Chewie in the EU was different as they weren’t expecting to make any more post Return of the Jedi movies at the time.)
Kevin B. – With the Mary Poppins scene, and the realization that she can actually use the force, it makes you wonder what else she could really do, it was a life-or-death moment, did it activate her abilities? Has she had these powers all along and mind-forced her way to become general? I think it helped the film, but it questions everything that was said about “immortalizing” her character in the Star Wars universe. We’ll have to see in IX.
There has been a lot of talk about Rey being a Mary Sue; after seeing the film, do you feel she fell into that category?
Jack – As much as I enjoy watching Rey’s progression, she is most definitely at this point a Mary Sue and that needs to change with this next film. She needs training, actual training. She needs a strong backstory. She needs to fail.
Jonny – I feel that she was yes, she is overpowered with little to no training, everything she knows she pretty much learned herself, I feel like next, she is going to shoot force lightning out of her hands never having seen it done nor experiencing the pain of it. Her character seems forced into the story to me like she doesn’t belong in the arc right now.
Kevin P. – Absolutely. She really received very little training and suddenly she is an even better swordsman? It’s laughable. She picks up every new skill effortlessly. I’m not averse to talented characters, both Anakin and Luke were talented to the point of being savants at things, but they also had established time invested into those things (like piloting.) Rey just does these things after a matter of days or weeks.
Kevin B. – I don’t think she is a Mary Sue. The force hole, black pit, dark side of the depths. Luke was flabbergasted when she just wanted to stick her head in there and not fight the dark side. She was dangerously playing with new powers, without thinking of the consequence. Daisy Ridley has announced that she may not be coming back to Star War after IX, with a burnt/disappointed “I didn’t know what I was getting myself into” comment, which left a sour taste with me. If she isn’t into the role, then neither am I.
After seeing The Last Jedi, do you feel confident in Rian Johnson being able to direct his own trilogy?
Jack – I feel that with his own parameters, Rian Johnson deserves a shot at least a standalone film, but I’m not all too sure about an entire trilogy yet, I wish he would have accepted being Trevorrow’s replacement for IX so that I may see more of his intent here, but I guess his decline shows that he doesn’t want to work within set parameters, he wants to set the parameters which is always a good thing. I would also like to see James Wan get a shot at a Star Wars film, whether be trilogy or standalone.
I feel like Wan is becoming a versatile blockbuster director which is something Disney seeks, and I feel like he understands Star Wars. When giving an interview on Aquaman, he described Atlantis as Star Wars underwater, which is just entirely accurate and shows that he not only understands Aquaman but Star Wars as well. I’d also like to see George Lucas brought back into the fold, yer George Lucas. Let’s not forget that he brought us Star Wars and that he brought us Vader, Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Palpatine, Solo, etc. Personally, I liked the prequels, even Jar Jar Binks. I’d like to see him in at the very least an advisory role.
Tristan – Well, I can tell you that I would be more confident with him and his original ideas than I would be with J.J. Abrams.
Jonny – No, not at all. While the film was good, it just wasn’t up to Star Wars standards. It had its moments, but I would prefer someone else to direct a trilogy. I’m not too familiar with directors and writers so I don’t have a replacement in mind, but I would like to see someone who can bring us a story beyond a select few.
Kevin P. – I don’t blame Rian for the failings of the movie. I felt he was shackled to a horrible plot from The Force Awakens (rehashed Empire vs Rebellion & hermit Luke) and had to do something with it. So he blew it up. Tore down all the things we expected from TFA and went haring off in another direction. This may have been planned, but it didn’t feel like it. There were a few issues that were his fault though. The pacing was off, which is entirely his fault, but I think he did several things well. Based on that and his previous resume, I think he could do very well with another trilogy if he had control over the process.
Kevin B. – I feel confident, given that he could be given a trilogy to start from the beginning and not work with half a start and whatever he walked into with design. He brought back animatronics and Star Wars creatures and concepts. It was good to see it again. I want more lightsaber battles.
With each trilogy we’ve seen a famed love, first with Han and Leia and second with Anakin and Padme; Who do you foresee being so in this trilogy? Would you go with Finn and Rose or someone else?
Jack – If Rey’s origin is true or still turns out to have no relation to Kylo, I feel like there is something there between them that could make for an epic move that’s never been done before and could even spawn a new order of Grey Jedi as well as balance to the universe.
Tristan – Finn clearly has some sort of affection towards Rey and I don’t think anything with Rose is going to overtake that.
Jonny – For sure Finn and Rose. Out of all the romances, I liked this one the best. She knew she was into him the second they met and wasn’t afraid to go for it. I liked her line in the wrecked ship too, it brought light to the idea that the rebellion had forgotten what it was fighting for.
Kevin P. – I’m fairly ambivalent to that. I think Reylo is dashed since Kylo has done a full embracing of the Dark Side. I’m not really interested in most of the other candidates.
Kevin B. – It’s probably going to be Reylo. Kylo Ren and Rey, they shared this weird orgasmic connection with the force in The Force Awakens, and then Ren keeps trying to convince her to just leave it, like a 1980’s “Run away with me”, from boyfriend to girlfriend. He is going to turn into a grey Jedi, and she’s going to see his transformation and that the dark side isn’t an entity, but this psychological mindset, as perceived when she fell in the dark hole rectum and saw the reflections of herself. It’s a moral thing, I think that the grey Jedi could do things with the dark side and bad things with the light side, and Reylo will be the first to crack that walnut on screen.
Luke’s death; How did you feel about how that all went down and the events that directly led up to it? Did they do it justice or did they fall short? What made it work? How would you have changed it if it didn’t work?
Jack – Wow okay, the nod to Obi-Wan was great and it honestly made sense from start to finish if taking into account everything around it, but it still came off as stale an emotionless. This was by far the most conflicting moment of the movie for me. But, I guess its better than being struck down.
Tristan – The scene as a whole was great, but I really would have liked seeing Luke have an actual fight. He is much older now, so it makes sense that he can only do so much and the way they did do it showed just how powerful he is as a force user now, but I would have had at least another scene beforehand where he really went at it in a fight, and then followed it up with the death scene that they did.
Jonny – It showed how powerful Luke really was, able to project himself across the stars so perfectly that his enemy was completely fooled. His death itself seemed a little lackluster to me, but it made sense; he was old and had cut himself off from the force for so long that the strain of it all was just too much. The fact that they didn’t have him cut down in a fight is something I liked a lot, though I wish he would have made it into the next film.
Kevin P. – I hated it. Nothing about it worked. They took two of the heroes of the original trilogy and did a full character assassination on them. Han and Luke each get one movie before they die? That’s crap. I understand that they want to establish the new generation, but they didn’t have to tear down the old to do so. I would have had the first movie be about 90% focused on the old generation, the second, 50/50 between the old and the new, and the third be 90% focused on the new generation. That way it’s a gradual transition from the heroes of the old (I’m not saying that for the sake of nostalgia either; they could have done new stories like that too.)
Kevin B. – I didn’t expect it, and he was at peace, so did he just die just to immortalize the character in the universe, or did Mark Hamill say, “enough, I cant keep doing this”. They fell short because it was a scene that was fading out. It worked because they led up to it with the hologram, and they left a teaser of the common Han Solo line, “I’ll see you later, Kid”, a potential indicator that he would be coming back. He could create a hologram across a universe. What else did he learn in those old Jedi texts?
Where can they take Poe Dameron from here, and what about his arc worked and didn’t?
Jack – Perhaps this is why she didn’t pass away on screen, perhaps she will act from behind the scenes as Poe Dameron confidant and mentor still as he rises to flagship the rebuild of the Resistance. Perhaps he becomes the general and perhaps he does learn what it means to be a leader. Perhaps they will try to make us see the princess in him. If so, I doubt it will work. Either way, Poe Dameron is destined for the head of the Resistance.
Tristan – Poe should continue being the great fighter pilot he is and contribute in all of the same ways he has been. I don’t see him becoming any more important of a character, but definitely no less important. I feel this character was never able to surpass this void in progression, that perhaps the intent for this character is greater than he could ever turn out.
Jonny – His story was great, it showed his hot-headed personality that makes him a great pilot also makes him quick to act which makes him reckless. Him missing the admiral’s plan and going a little crazy believing her to have failed them show his passion for the rebellion and serves as a great learning curve to becoming a general or another rank much higher than before. I believe that with the command structure in runs after this film, he will become the banner boy of the rebellion.
Kevin P. – He will obviously be a focus for the Resistance now that there are like 30 of them. I picture him taking more of a leadership role and learning that you can’t go off half-cocked like he does. Leaders have to be both thoughtful and decisive, which isn’t a balance he has yet.
Kevin B. – He challenged authority too unrealistically. Whatever rank he was at, he wouldn’t be stepping up to generals and admirals like that, just for them to turn the other cheek and let it happen. The military ranks wouldn’t allow that. That worked in the favor to push the story along though, so he was a likable character.
So what was with the dark hole on the island and the black mirror? Any theories, or was this something that went too far unexplained?
Jack – I feel like this is something that was left open for interpretation on purpose, but much like Luke’s death, this too falls short of the impact it should have and could still have. There’s such thing as too little bait. If it doesn’t reveal enough people don’t care, and at this point, I personally don’t care what that could possibly mean and as a director it’s your job to make sure that doesn’t happen.
Tristan – It was definitely strange, and if I were to watch it again I feel like I could explain it just as well as I had understood it when seeing it. It was mostly meant to show how consuming falling into the dark side can be.
Jonny – I think that the black mirror showed Rey that there are countless versions of herself and that each one has its own path that cannot be ignored no matter what she does; that they all lead to a destiny. The black hole represents the darkness in everyone and that it calls to us, and even though we may fall to it from time to time, there is light even in the dark.
Kevin P. – This was somewhat explained. Where there is light, there will be dark and visa versa. There was a point of light on the island, so there had to be a point of darkness. It fit with how Rey is the counterpart to Kylo.
Kevin B. – As I touched on this earlier, I think it’s a force cave, that it might be a Jedi lesson that padawans had to go through, like maybe a trial, for the Masters to show them what the dark side really is. That it’s themselves, not the force that becomes dark. I think old Jedi had a different aspect of what the darks ide was, and it was closer to that of the grey Jedi, who doesn’t deal in absolutes but doesn’t get involved with only serving/protecting. I remember seeing a story about Yoda having to go into the dark side cave on Dagobah, and I think Luke went to that island, not intending for the cave to suck up his force signature, but rather to feel reminiscent of Dagobah and his own experience there and the cave doing it anyway, cutting off his Jedi signal to the world.
I think it went unexplained, but folk-lore of the force, dark side caves, people who have been around and the potential in the future leaves it open for endings. Maybe a Jedi went through and started calling the dark side evil because he/she was scared of what they saw in themselves, like what Yoda saw when he went into the cave. Yoda saw the little evil imp version of himself, had he turned to the dark side, and he had to fight it.
What was one thing that you felt needed to be changed or removed, one thing you felt needed to happen that didn’t, as well as, one thing that happened and you felt had to be there?
Jack – One thing needed to be changed was the dark mirror sequence. I truly felt like this could have been a have revelation, but was nothing more than an obscure scene that leaves fans theorizing for something that may never find any more depth than it already has. One thing I felt needed to be in here that wasn’t, would be more lightsaber fights. Star Wars with one saber fight is ridiculous and something that was supposed to change from what we got in The Force Awakens. As for had to be there, I almost want to say the throne room battle that finally gave moviegoers a look at what the Crimson Guard is capable of, but I would have to Holdo’s sacrifice was a move nobody knew they needed to see and the topper to one of my favorite elements of the film.
Tristan – Snoke definitely should not have died without an explanation of his past and how he came to power. There should have been at least one more lightsaber dual including Luke. The light speed suicide scene was so perfect, it was something I never knew I needed to see and a huge part of why I liked this movie.
Jonny – The side plot with the codebreaker was unnecessary filler that the film could have gone without and there should have been even more backstory surrounding the Jedi academy. Nothing felt as if it was a must keep except for the fact that if Luke had to die in this film, cutting him down would have discredited him, so having him die due to his own power and his own choices was the only way to go about it.
Kevin P. – I guess removing Hermit Luke is too much to ask since that was established in TFA? I can’t say one particular moment that needed fixing, but the pacing as a whole needed to be fixed. I really like Holdo’s sacrifice, and although I didn’t really feel for the character, it was a beautifully shot moment.
Kevin B. – Things that needed to be changed: The Casino scene, much of it was wasted effort and could be entirely changed for the same outcome and done far better. Things that happened, but didn’t: Rey and Ren starting their conversion to a neutral force user. Things that happened and should’ve: Lukes large presence in the film and how it all played out is as close to done right as I feel Rian could have gotten.
Was the overall writing better here or with The Force Awakens, and what aspects attributed to that?
Jack – Despite it lacking as much depth as TLJ, TFA was more fluid and captivating. The Last Jedi did so much more with their screentime, yet somehow fell short in emotion for almost all of it. Both did okay and stack about the same in my book.
Tristan – I felt like they were about equal. Both contained a well-balanced level of humor and serious moments. Felt just like the old Star Wars movies.
Jonny – The writing in this one was far better than the last, I mean come on, a shotgun Deathstar that could shoot across the galaxy with pinpoint accuracy?! This time around they showcased some really good space battle that made both sides use real tactics.
Kevin P. – This was way better. TFA didn’t have the cringy dialogue of The Phantom Menace or Attack of the Cones, but it wasn’t the greatest either.
Kevin B. – Better here, the bringing back of Luke correctly, and Yoda’s force ghost as he was in old episodes, witty and kind of insulting-ish. It had a lot of the old episode vibes, where The Force Awakens felt like it was trying to completely recreate Star Wars. I put guesses on Yoda and a force ghost being in it, and I’m glad I was right.
While The Last Jedi is by no means a film without its flaws and one that didn’t exactly fulfill expectations, but it was a film that clearly looked to break these expectations and set itself apart. Whether they succeeded or not remains a conflict, but one thing is for certain; with this direction and some more work, there may yet be a new hope for the franchise after all.
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Writing Contributions by, Jack Flowers, Trey Griffeth, Fred Herbst, Tristan Dillon, Jonny Crash, Kevin Pilch, Kevin Billings and Brian Stewart.
Editing by, Jack Flowers.
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